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		<title>By: kells1001</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-3662</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is definitely a trend that is just beginning, which will downsize housing, concentrate populations and permanently change the American landscape unless new strategies to coordinate communication, mass transit and cheaper housing are not addressed more proactively.  This does not mean Americans will not adapt and prosper, but instead will buy fewer cars, move closer to population centers and build and maintain smaller homes.  Many more Americans will most likely live or even immigrate abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is definitely a trend that is just beginning, which will downsize housing, concentrate populations and permanently change the American landscape unless new strategies to coordinate communication, mass transit and cheaper housing are not addressed more proactively.  This does not mean Americans will not adapt and prosper, but instead will buy fewer cars, move closer to population centers and build and maintain smaller homes.  Many more Americans will most likely live or even immigrate abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: kells1001</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-2387</link>
		<dc:creator>kells1001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is definitely a trend that is just beginning, which will downsize housing, concentrate populations and permanently change the American landscape unless new strategies to coordinate communication, mass transit and cheaper housing are not addressed more proactively.  This does not mean Americans will not adapt and prosper, but instead will buy fewer cars, move closer to population centers and build and maintain smaller homes.  Many more Americans will most likely live or even immigrate abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is definitely a trend that is just beginning, which will downsize housing, concentrate populations and permanently change the American landscape unless new strategies to coordinate communication, mass transit and cheaper housing are not addressed more proactively.  This does not mean Americans will not adapt and prosper, but instead will buy fewer cars, move closer to population centers and build and maintain smaller homes.  Many more Americans will most likely live or even immigrate abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: kells1001</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-3011</link>
		<dc:creator>kells1001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is definitely a trend that is just beginning, which will downsize housing, concentrate populations and permanently change the American landscape unless new strategies to coordinate communication, mass transit and cheaper housing are not addressed more proactively.  This does not mean Americans will not adapt and prosper, but instead will buy fewer cars, move closer to population centers and build and maintain smaller homes.  Many more Americans will most likely live or even immigrate abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is definitely a trend that is just beginning, which will downsize housing, concentrate populations and permanently change the American landscape unless new strategies to coordinate communication, mass transit and cheaper housing are not addressed more proactively.  This does not mean Americans will not adapt and prosper, but instead will buy fewer cars, move closer to population centers and build and maintain smaller homes.  Many more Americans will most likely live or even immigrate abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: hbobrien</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-2385</link>
		<dc:creator>hbobrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;To use a phrase that was once somewhat unfairly said about California by Gertrude Stein, we have discovered that there was no there, there in the US economy.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, your image appears to be correct, but only inadvertantly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Miss Stein wasn&#039;t speaking about all of California.  She was speaking specifically about Oakland, where she lived as a child between ages 4 and 18.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even more specifically, she was speaking about Oakland &lt;i&gt;on a return visit&lt;/i&gt; as an adult, and the place had changed so much from when she grew up there it was almost unrecognizable.  The comment wasn&#039;t a slam; it was more in the spirit of Thomas Wolfe&#039;s, &quot;You can&#039;t go home again.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;To use a phrase that was once somewhat unfairly said about California by Gertrude Stein, we have discovered that there was no there, there in the US economy.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, your image appears to be correct, but only inadvertantly.</p>
<p>Miss Stein wasn&#39;t speaking about all of California.  She was speaking specifically about Oakland, where she lived as a child between ages 4 and 18.</p>
<p>Even more specifically, she was speaking about Oakland <i>on a return visit</i> as an adult, and the place had changed so much from when she grew up there it was almost unrecognizable.  The comment wasn&#39;t a slam; it was more in the spirit of Thomas Wolfe&#39;s, &#8220;You can&#39;t go home again.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hbobrien</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-3010</link>
		<dc:creator>hbobrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;To use a phrase that was once somewhat unfairly said about California by Gertrude Stein, we have discovered that there was no there, there in the US economy.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, your image appears to be correct, but only inadvertantly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Miss Stein wasn&#039;t speaking about all of California.  She was speaking specifically about Oakland, where she lived as a child between ages 4 and 18.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even more specifically, she was speaking about Oakland &lt;i&gt;on a return visit&lt;/i&gt; as an adult, and the place had changed so much from when she grew up there it was almost unrecognizable.  The comment wasn&#039;t a slam; it was more in the spirit of Thomas Wolfe&#039;s, &quot;You can&#039;t go home again.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;To use a phrase that was once somewhat unfairly said about California by Gertrude Stein, we have discovered that there was no there, there in the US economy.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, your image appears to be correct, but only inadvertantly.</p>
<p>Miss Stein wasn&#39;t speaking about all of California.  She was speaking specifically about Oakland, where she lived as a child between ages 4 and 18.</p>
<p>Even more specifically, she was speaking about Oakland <i>on a return visit</i> as an adult, and the place had changed so much from when she grew up there it was almost unrecognizable.  The comment wasn&#39;t a slam; it was more in the spirit of Thomas Wolfe&#39;s, &#8220;You can&#39;t go home again.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BMR789</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-2380</link>
		<dc:creator>BMR789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Permanent absolute decline based on the failure of energy inputs to maintain existing lifestyle and expectations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would suggest this is what Gregor means - based on other posts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s somewhat difficult for people to swallow, when all we have known is cheap abundant energy always on tap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Permanent absolute decline based on the failure of energy inputs to maintain existing lifestyle and expectations.</p>
<p>I would suggest this is what Gregor means &#8211; based on other posts.</p>
<p>It&#39;s somewhat difficult for people to swallow, when all we have known is cheap abundant energy always on tap.</p>
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		<title>By: BMR789</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-3008</link>
		<dc:creator>BMR789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Permanent absolute decline based on the failure of energy inputs to maintain existing lifestyle and expectations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would suggest this is what Gregor means - based on other posts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s somewhat difficult for people to swallow, when all we have known is cheap abundant energy always on tap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Permanent absolute decline based on the failure of energy inputs to maintain existing lifestyle and expectations.</p>
<p>I would suggest this is what Gregor means &#8211; based on other posts.</p>
<p>It&#39;s somewhat difficult for people to swallow, when all we have known is cheap abundant energy always on tap.</p>
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		<title>By: BMR789</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-2379</link>
		<dc:creator>BMR789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have experience with a CNG vehicle.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the early 1980&#039;s following the 1979 oil shock - NZ embarked on a CNG scheme rollout - filliting stations etc, and subsidies to convert cars to run as duel fuel vehicles on CNG and petrol.&lt;br&gt;My mother had her Ford Escort 1300 set up to run on CNG. It was the car I learnt to drive in - well officially that&#039;s the story.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whilst acceleration would be better described as &quot;Gaining momentum&#039; - there was nothing too much wrong with it to trundle about in. It took a little bit longer timewise to fill perhaps, and the distance able to travel was possibly not quite as far as a tank of gas - but still at least 300km. Importantly for a learner driver it was cheap to fill&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of the 1980&#039;s it was possible to run a car on CNG in NZ, but then the crisis passed and the CNG installs dropped off, the refill stations which were expensive to operate were slowly pulled out, as the number of cars were churned out - or people stopped using CNG as the price of gas declined relative to earnings.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are still plenty of LPG powered cars in NZ - mainly Taxi&#039;s and fleet operated vehicles. Tend to be larger 6 cylinder type cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have experience with a CNG vehicle.</p>
<p>In the early 1980&#39;s following the 1979 oil shock &#8211; NZ embarked on a CNG scheme rollout &#8211; filliting stations etc, and subsidies to convert cars to run as duel fuel vehicles on CNG and petrol.<br />My mother had her Ford Escort 1300 set up to run on CNG. It was the car I learnt to drive in &#8211; well officially that&#39;s the story.</p>
<p>Whilst acceleration would be better described as &#8220;Gaining momentum&#39; &#8211; there was nothing too much wrong with it to trundle about in. It took a little bit longer timewise to fill perhaps, and the distance able to travel was possibly not quite as far as a tank of gas &#8211; but still at least 300km. Importantly for a learner driver it was cheap to fill</p>
<p>Most of the 1980&#39;s it was possible to run a car on CNG in NZ, but then the crisis passed and the CNG installs dropped off, the refill stations which were expensive to operate were slowly pulled out, as the number of cars were churned out &#8211; or people stopped using CNG as the price of gas declined relative to earnings.</p>
<p>There are still plenty of LPG powered cars in NZ &#8211; mainly Taxi&#39;s and fleet operated vehicles. Tend to be larger 6 cylinder type cars.</p>
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		<title>By: BMR789</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-3005</link>
		<dc:creator>BMR789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have experience with a CNG vehicle.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the early 1980&#039;s following the 1979 oil shock - NZ embarked on a CNG scheme rollout - filliting stations etc, and subsidies to convert cars to run as duel fuel vehicles on CNG and petrol.&lt;br&gt;My mother had her Ford Escort 1300 set up to run on CNG. It was the car I learnt to drive in - well officially that&#039;s the story.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whilst acceleration would be better described as &quot;Gaining momentum&#039; - there was nothing too much wrong with it to trundle about in. It took a little bit longer timewise to fill perhaps, and the distance able to travel was possibly not quite as far as a tank of gas - but still at least 300km. Importantly for a learner driver it was cheap to fill&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of the 1980&#039;s it was possible to run a car on CNG in NZ, but then the crisis passed and the CNG installs dropped off, the refill stations which were expensive to operate were slowly pulled out, as the number of cars were churned out - or people stopped using CNG as the price of gas declined relative to earnings.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are still plenty of LPG powered cars in NZ - mainly Taxi&#039;s and fleet operated vehicles. Tend to be larger 6 cylinder type cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have experience with a CNG vehicle.</p>
<p>In the early 1980&#39;s following the 1979 oil shock &#8211; NZ embarked on a CNG scheme rollout &#8211; filliting stations etc, and subsidies to convert cars to run as duel fuel vehicles on CNG and petrol.<br />My mother had her Ford Escort 1300 set up to run on CNG. It was the car I learnt to drive in &#8211; well officially that&#39;s the story.</p>
<p>Whilst acceleration would be better described as &#8220;Gaining momentum&#39; &#8211; there was nothing too much wrong with it to trundle about in. It took a little bit longer timewise to fill perhaps, and the distance able to travel was possibly not quite as far as a tank of gas &#8211; but still at least 300km. Importantly for a learner driver it was cheap to fill</p>
<p>Most of the 1980&#39;s it was possible to run a car on CNG in NZ, but then the crisis passed and the CNG installs dropped off, the refill stations which were expensive to operate were slowly pulled out, as the number of cars were churned out &#8211; or people stopped using CNG as the price of gas declined relative to earnings.</p>
<p>There are still plenty of LPG powered cars in NZ &#8211; mainly Taxi&#39;s and fleet operated vehicles. Tend to be larger 6 cylinder type cars.</p>
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		<title>By: EricCB</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/california/the-scholarship-of-collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-2378</link>
		<dc:creator>EricCB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNG??  Good luck with that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/04/06/455943.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/04/06/4...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; I believe that there are substantial deposits of NG in the US; enough for quite awhile.  Considering that you can convert autos to it, it&#039;s amazing that no serious push by the government has occured.  What am I missing??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNG??  Good luck with that.<br /><a href="http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/04/06/455943.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/04/06/4.." rel="nofollow">http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/04/06/4..</a>.</p>
<p> I believe that there are substantial deposits of NG in the US; enough for quite awhile.  Considering that you can convert autos to it, it&#39;s amazing that no serious push by the government has occured.  What am I missing??</p>
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