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		<title>By: gregor.us</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/currency/be-bop-sudden-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-3744</link>
		<dc:creator>gregor.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timelines will change. Timelines will surprise, and turn quickly. And I agree with you that monetizing the StimPack is the most effective method for countering dead velocity. If the majority of the StimPack was actual engineering projects and not transfer payments then my view has been that dead velocity would be attacked even more efficiently. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See @mikestiller on Twitter for some of the work he is doing on the Output Gap. He is less convinced that we are headed for a classical, idle factory driven deflationary paradigm.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are suggesting that China could have an inflation problem, I agree.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timelines will change. Timelines will surprise, and turn quickly. And I agree with you that monetizing the StimPack is the most effective method for countering dead velocity. If the majority of the StimPack was actual engineering projects and not transfer payments then my view has been that dead velocity would be attacked even more efficiently. </p>
<p>See @mikestiller on Twitter for some of the work he is doing on the Output Gap. He is less convinced that we are headed for a classical, idle factory driven deflationary paradigm.</p>
<p>If you are suggesting that China could have an inflation problem, I agree.</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: gregor.us</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/currency/be-bop-sudden-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>gregor.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timelines will change. Timelines will surprise, and turn quickly. And I agree with you that monetizing the StimPack is the most effective method for countering dead velocity. If the majority of the StimPack was actual engineering projects and not transfer payments then my view has been that dead velocity would be attacked even more efficiently. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See @mikestiller on Twitter for some of the work he is doing on the Output Gap. He is less convinced that we are headed for a classical, idle factory driven deflationary paradigm.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are suggesting that China could have an inflation problem, I agree.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timelines will change. Timelines will surprise, and turn quickly. And I agree with you that monetizing the StimPack is the most effective method for countering dead velocity. If the majority of the StimPack was actual engineering projects and not transfer payments then my view has been that dead velocity would be attacked even more efficiently. </p>
<p>See @mikestiller on Twitter for some of the work he is doing on the Output Gap. He is less convinced that we are headed for a classical, idle factory driven deflationary paradigm.</p>
<p>If you are suggesting that China could have an inflation problem, I agree.</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t stop freaking me out, I&#039;m going to remove you from my rss reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#39;t stop freaking me out, I&#39;m going to remove you from my rss reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Krause</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; The UK, Switzerland, and the US can print away all they like. But the price they’ll pay is to be replaced by the Chinese Yuan, Gold, or yes, even lowly Copper.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From WSJ a few days back:&lt;br&gt;&quot;The lending surge came as China&#039;s broadest measure of money supply, M2, jumped 25.51% at the end of March from a year earlier. The growth rate was well above the median 21.8% rise forecast by 11 economists surveyed earlier by Dow Jones Newswires, and up from the 20.48% rise at the end of February.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090411-700207.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090411-70...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone is printing.  That said, buy some gold to hedge.  Regardless though, we are monetizing to fund stimulus spending, the most efficient way at making sure this new money (with intent to reflate) circulates rather than accumulates as inert bank reserves (ie Japan).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The current price level we have today is based on an arbitrary credit multiplier we&#039;ve been so adapted to.  With US assets at 50T or so, give or take 10T, against a monetary base of 2T, that is 25:1 leverage on the monetary base.  With the loss of faith, lets say that multiplier chops down from 25:1 to 5-15:1...   That gives the Fed permission to print another 2 or 3T and that just achieves a reflation and short run increase in global output.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, expect the Fed to announce another 500B of treasury purchases soon, continue with long term agency debt monetization (1250B to chip away at), etc. etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When money supply increases, interest rates fall.  Right now, long duration treasuries are only a tad weak because the stimulus spending is ahead of debt monetization, at least at these interest rate levels.  We need more money, not less.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Inflation 5-10 years out, just when everyone has given up on stocks, their only accessible inflation hedge will start performing ...  Until then, misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; The UK, Switzerland, and the US can print away all they like. But the price they’ll pay is to be replaced by the Chinese Yuan, Gold, or yes, even lowly Copper.&#8221;</p>
<p>From WSJ a few days back:<br />&#8220;The lending surge came as China&#39;s broadest measure of money supply, M2, jumped 25.51% at the end of March from a year earlier. The growth rate was well above the median 21.8% rise forecast by 11 economists surveyed earlier by Dow Jones Newswires, and up from the 20.48% rise at the end of February.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090411-700207.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090411-70.." rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090411-70..</a>.</p>
<p>Everyone is printing.  That said, buy some gold to hedge.  Regardless though, we are monetizing to fund stimulus spending, the most efficient way at making sure this new money (with intent to reflate) circulates rather than accumulates as inert bank reserves (ie Japan).</p>
<p>The current price level we have today is based on an arbitrary credit multiplier we&#39;ve been so adapted to.  With US assets at 50T or so, give or take 10T, against a monetary base of 2T, that is 25:1 leverage on the monetary base.  With the loss of faith, lets say that multiplier chops down from 25:1 to 5-15:1&#8230;   That gives the Fed permission to print another 2 or 3T and that just achieves a reflation and short run increase in global output.</p>
<p>That said, expect the Fed to announce another 500B of treasury purchases soon, continue with long term agency debt monetization (1250B to chip away at), etc. etc.</p>
<p>When money supply increases, interest rates fall.  Right now, long duration treasuries are only a tad weak because the stimulus spending is ahead of debt monetization, at least at these interest rate levels.  We need more money, not less.</p>
<p>Inflation 5-10 years out, just when everyone has given up on stocks, their only accessible inflation hedge will start performing &#8230;  Until then, misery.</p>
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		<title>By: dsonnen</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsonnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess on timing is based on an assumption that the couple trillion or so Treasury is pumping into banking institutions will take 24-36 months to clear the system and will not spur adequate productivity.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Treasury&#039;s newly minted cash, as you&#039;ve indicated, is phony -- not tied to real assets or productivity.  The Treasury&#039;s bet seems to be that magic will occur and productivity will somehow climb to give their fresh cash adequate validity.  Given your analysis of energy&#039;s future and the current down trends in real productivity, the Treasury&#039;s bet seems pretty sketchy, even desperate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope I&#039;m dead wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess on timing is based on an assumption that the couple trillion or so Treasury is pumping into banking institutions will take 24-36 months to clear the system and will not spur adequate productivity.  </p>
<p>The Treasury&#39;s newly minted cash, as you&#39;ve indicated, is phony &#8212; not tied to real assets or productivity.  The Treasury&#39;s bet seems to be that magic will occur and productivity will somehow climb to give their fresh cash adequate validity.  Given your analysis of energy&#39;s future and the current down trends in real productivity, the Treasury&#39;s bet seems pretty sketchy, even desperate.</p>
<p>I hope I&#39;m dead wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think of the US as any publicly traded entity. State and federal revenues are crashing, spending has ramped (deficit expansion), and newly issued debt is scheduled to be a record for 2009.  The loophole is the ability to &quot;create&quot; demand for UST&#039;s by printing money. As a sound creditor to this said entity, how can one not be concerned? If the US does not have the ability to fund its operations using foreign capital inflows, what is the answer? How will this effect daily life for US citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of the US as any publicly traded entity. State and federal revenues are crashing, spending has ramped (deficit expansion), and newly issued debt is scheduled to be a record for 2009.  The loophole is the ability to &#8220;create&#8221; demand for UST&#39;s by printing money. As a sound creditor to this said entity, how can one not be concerned? If the US does not have the ability to fund its operations using foreign capital inflows, what is the answer? How will this effect daily life for US citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: gregor.us</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregor.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thankyou. It&#039;s heartening that someone else recognizes the &lt;em&gt;Everybody is worse off than us, so we&#039;ll be OK&lt;/em&gt; myth&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have to prepare that this does not unfold quickly. Just as you appear to be thinking, in your 2011 to 2012 timeline.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou. It&#39;s heartening that someone else recognizes the <em>Everybody is worse off than us, so we&#39;ll be OK</em> myth</p>
<p>I have to prepare that this does not unfold quickly. Just as you appear to be thinking, in your 2011 to 2012 timeline.</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: gregor.us</title>
		<link>http://gregor.us/currency/be-bop-sudden-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>gregor.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m working on now. I&#039;m trying to come up with a schedule for the recognition phase. Your notion, that it gets closer as reflation gets underway, it dead on. Indeed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s what I&#39;m working on now. I&#39;m trying to come up with a schedule for the recognition phase. Your notion, that it gets closer as reflation gets underway, it dead on. Indeed.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: dsonnen</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsonnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This scenario, unfortunately, makes complete sense. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider the currency crisis, below-margin energy pricing, declining oil outputs, and the evaporation of real working capital. These factors are eventually going to converge and the &quot;Everybody is worse off than us, so we&#039;ll be OK&quot; myth will implode.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The timing is still a guess, but 2011-2012 are starting to look like Apocalypse Now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This scenario, unfortunately, makes complete sense. </p>
<p>Consider the currency crisis, below-margin energy pricing, declining oil outputs, and the evaporation of real working capital. These factors are eventually going to converge and the &#8220;Everybody is worse off than us, so we&#39;ll be OK&#8221; myth will implode.</p>
<p>The timing is still a guess, but 2011-2012 are starting to look like Apocalypse Now.</p>
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		<title>By: Fullcarry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fullcarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you have a sense of the timing for the recognition phase to happen?  My sense is it happens once reflation gets underway.  In a way the US should fear reflation more than a slow grind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you have a sense of the timing for the recognition phase to happen?  My sense is it happens once reflation gets underway.  In a way the US should fear reflation more than a slow grind.</p>
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