Outcomes for Deflationists and Inflationists

Although Gregor.us is ostensibly an energy blog I sometimes feel the need to tackle macro issues. Over the past few weeks I’ve been trying to focus my thoughts on our current moment, where we find that deflationary pressures are rampant but reflationary policies globally are of a historic magnitude. What follows is my attempt to take the two outcomes through, to their most obvious conclusions.

Deflationists

If you believe deflation will take hold, and no amount of monetary policy or fiscal policy globally can prevent it, then prepare for the collapse of the US financial system for the following reason: there will not be enough economic activity to support the asset base of the key banks and financial institutions. Operations of the kind that took place last week with Citigroup would occur on a weekly basis. In such an environment, even the good debtors will lose their jobs, run down savings, or walk away from their homes. The FED will respond with more printing of money to give to the banks, but this frankly becomes nationalisation and then the government will mediate the aggregate private debt by forgiving most of it: all the mortgages, credit cards and commercial loans. It will become painfully clear that no future economic activity will take place unless 90% of the previous debt is forgiven.

Bottom line: in deflation there will be no condition present that will allow Americans to increase their savings, pay down debts, and repair balance sheets. In deflation, the repair model simply will not happen. It will be a collapse. And the government will also default on its debt.

Infllationists

If you believe inflation takes hold and/or deflation never takes hold, then there is a chance that enough growth can take place while the debt is reduced by inflation that would allow Americans to keep working and devote capital to pay down debts with weaker dollars. But, even with inflation, there is only a chance that this happens. But, it’s a decent chance.

Bottom line: it’s crucial that the USD weaken substantially so that purchasing power is reduced to inhibit consumption of foreign goods, while at the same time earnings inflate via wage growth and proceeds are used to reduce debt. The sign that reflation is taking hold would be a weakening of the USD, a rise in the stock market, and a good uptick in demand for money which would initially take place on a landscape of very low interest rates.

The Surprise

Thus, we arrive at the conundrum that I don’t think the deflationists have figured out yet. They are at present busily cheering on the rally in Treasuries, as yields plummet, only happy to have their thesis (apparently) confirmed. What they have not figured out yet, and I am unclear why, is that deflation will detonate the private banking system, which will in turn detonate the US ability to rollover its own debt. The government will own the banks, but, will not have enough tax revenues to service its debt. Treasury auctions will fail, because supply will either be too large, or, the FED will be monetizing the auctions. There will simply not be enough buyers of US debt under those conditions.

The surprise is therefore counter-intuitive: US Treasury bonds will default eventually if deflation takes hold, but, if inflation takes hold US Treasury bonds will simply go into a bad bear market–they’ll be paid off but with cheaper dollars.

For the United States, a nation of debtors not savers, no truer words were ever spoken: inflate or die.

-Gregor

  • MW
    I think "The Surprise" ignores two points. In the short-term, I see no shortage of domestic buyers of USTs. In the medium-term, then so long as there are currencies pegged to the USD (ME and EM Asia), there are buyers of USD, and buyers of Treasuries with those USD. Of course, Brad Setser's blog has a lot to say about the extent to which official, rather than private flows have financed the US C/A deficit in recent years.
  • gregor.us
    Thanks. My post is geared exclusively to the final outcomes. So, I am not describing current conditions so much. All the conditions you describe I also expect to obtain--until they don't.

    At the outer reaches of a deflation, anyone who is buying a Treasury will be doing so with the full knowledge that they are participating in classical ponzi scheme, as there will be no sufficient revenues backing the Treasuries. What's concerning is that we are already approaching structural limits--i.e. we already began to inhale most of the world's savings starting 2-3 years ago.

    The bottom line is that no benign outcome to a deflation is possible, for the United States. There is no muddle through case that I can see.

    G
  • bobsagetfanatic
    Gregor, you are seeing the game several moves ahead, what you do best. btw, FWIW, not to mention FYI, Helene Meisler on Realmoney cites a Market Vane bullish conensus of 82% going into this week, so the timing between now and at least a bond correction might be measured in days.
  • gregor.us
    Was that a marketvane measure of bullishness towards bonds?
  • bobsagetfanatic
    Sorry for that omission....yes it was a bond sentiment reading.
  • outstanding analysis. IMO the US is headed down the path of argentina in 2001 and 2002, whereby bank failures and budget deficits lead to an inability to make payments on govt bonds, which in turn leads to a run on the currency. i do not think it will be as bad as it was in argentina, though i think 25% annual dollar devaluation by 2010 is quite possible.
  • gregor.us
    Yes, that is the risk. The Argentina model.

    In order to successfully reflate, the USA just like Japan needs to reflate the world not just itself. So, the USD simply has to fall as a mechanism that extends cheap credit to the rest of the world. Cheap Yen and Cheap USD are like credit, that the rest of the world has used for decades--first Yen and then the USD. That whole dynamic has to get going again for the US reflate as our own reflation is dependent in part on maintaining foreign consumption.

    G
  • geckoman
    You never mentioned what you think is the likely outcome DE or IN flation? It sure reeks of deflation and thus far no amount of money worldwide has stopped it. So what's your opinion?

    Oh and if deflation takes hold why would anyone walk away from there home or car. Just stop paying on them. There wouldn't be enough man power in the world to come and evict everyone.
  • gregor.us
    Yes if a generalized deflation takes hold, as I said, I think the debt will be destroyed through blanket default b/c there will simply be no way it can be paid back.

    The big question for the US, assuming it will be able to service both the public and private debt and not fall into a generalized deflation, is what will we produce to generate the income? This is why alot of smart people are worried.
  • Wow, well spoken, I have always thought that inflation wasn't the problem, but you clarified that. I for one am willing to pay higher prices for goods and services, so long as I feel it is justified. Nice Work
  • gregor.us
    Hi Brian. At this point, the first marker of success of reflationary policy would be to simply stabilize prices. I think the two main assets classes important to OECD countries are housing and equities. So the first test is to get those two stabilized.

    I think food inflation will continue to moderate now. As for oil, well, 42 dollars a bbl is very dangerous to world oil supply.
  • I'll take a stab at another "surprise": Cheap oil, gas stimulates growth & consumer spending. No one is mentioning anything about that. I mean, I've heard the gas vs consumer spending thesis on bloomberg radio, but nobody is picking up on how certain investments are going to now look more appealing with "cheap" oil in the equation. It's going to be interesting if oil falls another $10, and the defaulting juniors start getting snapped up by the oil companies who are now flush with cash, so they control a larger fraction of the oil reserves, just in time for oil to resume it's inevitable climb.

    ...and w.r.t your "surprise", while I hope you're wrong, what the fed isn't putting in the equation is how social media, information, and herd behaviour will impact a deflationary outcome. When Japan entered there deflationary period, the internet wasn't as widley used. The other day, I got an engineering friend, 24, doesn't have a clue about economics, stocks, market causality, bonds, etc asked me "so how long is the deflationary sprial going to last, gold should surge, right?". It was then, that I realized, social media and the herd behaviour it creates, might actually destroy the world, they'll talk themselves into it. Hopefully, they can talk themselves out of it.
  • gregor.us
    The FED and global governments will reflate until they get a signal that it's working--and then at that point they probably will have reflated too much.
  • Gregor, you know we often see eye to eye on these matters. But I must admit to less conviction than you about a spike in 2009. You haven't addressed the demand side much, and to me it's the X factor. You also have to consider places like Venezuela, that simply can't afford to give away 400K barrels of oil for free to China Fund and others at these prices, so they'll start charging too. And if OPEC follows through on a larger than expected reduction, that puts a tight lid on any speculation given the immediacy with which that supply can [and would] be brought back online.
  • gregor.us
    Oh I agree that the existence of spare capacity will overhang the oil market all next year. The question is whether that perception forms a line to just OPEC, or, to both OPEC and non-OPEC. The perception will certainly form a line to OPEC as OPEC is currently making discretionary cuts. But it's in non-OPEC where the non-discretionary cutting is taking place, and will create a potential supply problem.

    But I agree that the perception of spare capacity will overhang the market, for sure. That said, let's not forget the non-OPEC supply has been flat for 6 years, and global supply flat for 3.5. We are going to see that in Q4 2008, non-OPEC supply really made some advances downward.

    G
  • What do you think the tar sands do from here? Hard to believe COSUN was paying an annualized $5 distribution just a few months ago, now it's hard to see how they make money in the coming quarter at current prices.
  • JE
    "US Treasury bonds will default eventually if deflation takes hold". How can they default? Unlike 3rd world countries that have their debt denominated in currency (US$) that they can't print, the US can print $s to pay off their debt. It seems to me the result may be inflation but not default.

    The calibration in quantitative easing needs to be just enough to reflate without triggering an inflationary spiral......a tricky business.
  • gregor.us
    I hold the view that printing in order to avoid default (not enough buyers for new US Treasury debt show up to successfully roll over maturing debt) is de-facto default.

    I see your question alot.

    Let me ask you: if all the debt of the UK was denominated in Sterling, and then when the UK tried to roll over debt and no one bought new debt, thus depriving the UK of funds to pay off the maturing debt, and then the BOE just printed up more Sterling to pay off the old bond holders and bought the new issue--what do you think other holders of UK debt would start to do?

    They would dump the debt en masse. The game would be over, yes?

    Monetization is a ponzi scheme, at some point, don't you think?

    G
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