The Seigniorage Curse

Much has been said the last few decades about the Oil Curse. The idea that countries with a large petroleum inheritance actually devolve over time, failing to diversify their economies. The result is often a stagnant culture and a dysfunctional political structure. Amidst the arrested development, these countries are of course deeply vulnerable to swings in the price of oil. Writers who have looked at the Oil Curse will often compare Indonesia (discovered oil) to South Korea (no oil) from the time after the Korean War ended. Indonesia of course remained a mess for decades, while South Korea became an economic supergiant, based on its promotion of education, innovation, and engineering.

Another country that now looks quite arrested in its development is the United States. But not because of an Oil Curse. Rather, the United States appears to have finally succumbed to its multi-decade “advantage” via dollarization. In dollarization, the US Dollar has been the world’s reserve currency, and the United States economy has “enjoyed” the freedom to borrow and print ad infinitum without the usual penalties. In this regard, the United States has functioned as the King, who issues coinage with your bullion, but takes a small shaving in the process. In return, US citizens and those holding dollars enjoyed the purchasing power premium of a currency backed by the King. That’s the power of Kings. The power of Seigniorage.

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A problem develops internally, however, when the King or the King’s economy no longer offers as much value for the premium charged. And that’s exactly what’s been happening to the US economy over the past 30 years. Oh, not all parts of the US economy. Innovaters have rolled onward as the dysfunctional and shoddy parts of the economy took greater hold. But what happened eventually is that the shoddy parts–especially the financial sector–ran out of things to monetize. In fact, the US economy stopped making things to monetize.

The Seigniorage Curse appears to hollow out the economy by the following manner: First, the premium charged to holders of dollars becomes a new source of accrued, aggregate revenue. This extra capital flowing into the economy is initially seen as a global honoring of our economy’s strength, and innovation. But when innovation falters and less value is created, seigniorage is maintained–and thus the unhealthy dynamic begins. From this point forward, whether the US economy either leads in innovation, or lags in innovation, the Dollar advantage grows regardless. It then becomes clear that manufacturing Dollars, rather than manufacturing goods, is a better value proposition. Once that dynamic is in place, then a long cycle of financialization ensues, in which innovation and talent moves from design and manufacturing to the financial sector. The financial sector then becomes rapacious, as it scours what’s left of the economy to monetize. Whereas manufacturing and innovation were once monetized, the financial sector begins to monetize itself.

The final hurrah was seen this decade, when the financial sector, unable to monetize other US based streams of income, decided to monetize housing. That was all that remained. Seigniorage had allowed us to stop earning our living, and eventually we “bundled up and packaged” our real estate. Interestingly, it’s only in the aftermath of the burst housing bubble that we observe how many Americans are being ‘forced to sell” their homes. In fact, Americans had already sold them.

Every inheritance starts out as a gift. Just as oil-cursed nations remain ever vulnerable to swings in the price of oil, the United States is now vulnerable to its own number one export–the value of the US Dollar and by extension the value of US Treasury Bonds.

-Gregor

Photo: Calabar Rod Currency (African). More photos here: Ethnographic Monies.

Update: there are several acceptable spellings of seigniorage. After review of their various publishing histories, I have changed the spelling in this post to the most common form.

Further Reading: Dollarization, Seignorage, and the Demand for Money. Thomas J. Sargent. April 1981

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  • Blair Rogers

    What role does the US Military/Industrial complex, and the ability of the US to project force globally have in sustaining the seinorage of the US dollar? and how long can this be maintained as the economy eats itself from within?

  • Blair Rogers

    What role does the US Military/Industrial complex, and the ability of the US to project force globally have in sustaining the seinorage of the US dollar? and how long can this be maintained as the economy eats itself from within?

  • Blair Rogers

    What role does the US Military/Industrial complex, and the ability of the US to project force globally have in sustaining the seinorage of the US dollar? and how long can this be maintained as the economy eats itself from within?

  • Blair Rogers

    What role does the US Military/Industrial complex, and the ability of the US to project force globally have in sustaining the seinorage of the US dollar? and how long can this be maintained as the economy eats itself from within?

  • Blair Rogers

    What role does the US Military/Industrial complex, and the ability of the US to project force globally have in sustaining the seinorage of the US dollar? and how long can this be maintained as the economy eats itself from within?

  • Blair Rogers

    What role does the US Military/Industrial complex, and the ability of the US to project force globally have in sustaining the seinorage of the US dollar? and how long can this be maintained as the economy eats itself from within?

  • Fullcarry

    Great thought provoking piece. I am fascinated how we all take this setup for granted and believe it to be permanent. Dollar's global reserve status has even given the US its own unique economic theory. The whole verbiage of growth, inflation, consumer demand, money supply, etc. have been perverted to a degree that I believe a classical economist would be mystified to make sense of it all.

    We confuse growth with inflation, inflation with price increases, excessive consumer demand with a healthy economy. In the last years of the boom even borrowing to consume became a sign of economic strength.

    I wonder how quickly we will adapt to a new reality when the day comes.

  • Fullcarry

    Great thought provoking piece. I am fascinated how we all take this setup for granted and believe it to be permanent. Dollar's global reserve status has even given the US its own unique economic theory. The whole verbiage of growth, inflation, consumer demand, money supply, etc. have been perverted to a degree that I believe a classical economist would be mystified to make sense of it all.

    We confuse growth with inflation, inflation with price increases, excessive consumer demand with a healthy economy. In the last years of the boom even borrowing to consume became a sign of economic strength.

    I wonder how quickly we will adapt to a new reality when the day comes.

  • Fullcarry

    Great thought provoking piece. I am fascinated how we all take this setup for granted and believe it to be permanent. Dollar's global reserve status has even given the US its own unique economic theory. The whole verbiage of growth, inflation, consumer demand, money supply, etc. have been perverted to a degree that I believe a classical economist would be mystified to make sense of it all.

    We confuse growth with inflation, inflation with price increases, excessive consumer demand with a healthy economy. In the last years of the boom even borrowing to consume became a sign of economic strength.

    I wonder how quickly we will adapt to a new reality when the day comes.

  • Fullcarry

    Great thought provoking piece. I am fascinated how we all take this setup for granted and believe it to be permanent. Dollar's global reserve status has even given the US its own unique economic theory. The whole verbiage of growth, inflation, consumer demand, money supply, etc. have been perverted to a degree that I believe a classical economist would be mystified to make sense of it all.

    We confuse growth with inflation, inflation with price increases, excessive consumer demand with a healthy economy. In the last years of the boom even borrowing to consume became a sign of economic strength.

    I wonder how quickly we will adapt to a new reality when the day comes.

  • Fullcarry

    Great thought provoking piece. I am fascinated how we all take this setup for granted and believe it to be permanent. Dollar's global reserve status has even given the US its own unique economic theory. The whole verbiage of growth, inflation, consumer demand, money supply, etc. have been perverted to a degree that I believe a classical economist would be mystified to make sense of it all.

    We confuse growth with inflation, inflation with price increases, excessive consumer demand with a healthy economy. In the last years of the boom even borrowing to consume became a sign of economic strength.

    I wonder how quickly we will adapt to a new reality when the day comes.

  • Fullcarry

    Great thought provoking piece. I am fascinated how we all take this setup for granted and believe it to be permanent. Dollar's global reserve status has even given the US its own unique economic theory. The whole verbiage of growth, inflation, consumer demand, money supply, etc. have been perverted to a degree that I believe a classical economist would be mystified to make sense of it all.

    We confuse growth with inflation, inflation with price increases, excessive consumer demand with a healthy economy. In the last years of the boom even borrowing to consume became a sign of economic strength.

    I wonder how quickly we will adapt to a new reality when the day comes.

  • http://faithmight.tumblr.com faithmight

    Great article! I have long been intringued about the role of the USD in the world. Remember, right before the housing burst in 2007 you will recall talks of pricing oil in euros. These talks came out of Europe and Japan before even Iran, Russia and Kuwait. The USD weakened at that time too (and on our way to record highs in the GBP/USD exhange rate).

    Now it seems we find ourselves in a similar climate as the role of the USD comes into question again.

    A question for you: It was always said that China, with its trillions in USD reserves, did NOT want a weak dollar and was therefore a USD advocate. Why the shift in sentiment. Are the hedging themselves for worse yet to come?

  • http://faithmight.tumblr.com faithmight

    Great article! I have long been intringued about the role of the USD in the world. Remember, right before the housing burst in 2007 you will recall talks of pricing oil in euros. These talks came out of Europe and Japan before even Iran, Russia and Kuwait. The USD weakened at that time too (and on our way to record highs in the GBP/USD exhange rate).

    Now it seems we find ourselves in a similar climate as the role of the USD comes into question again.

    A question for you: It was always said that China, with its trillions in USD reserves, did NOT want a weak dollar and was therefore a USD advocate. Why the shift in sentiment? Are the hedging themselves for worse yet to come?

  • http://faithmight.tumblr.com faithmight

    Great article! I have long been intringued about the role of the USD in the world. Remember, right before the housing burst in 2007 you will recall talks of pricing oil in euros. These talks came out of Europe and Japan before even Iran, Russia and Kuwait. The USD weakened at that time too (and on our way to record highs in the GBP/USD exhange rate).

    Now it seems we find ourselves in a similar climate as the role of the USD comes into question again.

    A question for you: It was always said that China, with its trillions in USD reserves, did NOT want a weak dollar and was therefore a USD advocate. Why the shift in sentiment? Are the hedging themselves for worse yet to come?

  • http://faithmight.tumblr.com faithmight

    Great article! I have long been intringued about the role of the USD in the world. Remember, right before the housing burst in 2007 you will recall talks of pricing oil in euros. These talks came out of Europe and Japan before even Iran, Russia and Kuwait. The USD weakened at that time too (and on our way to record highs in the GBP/USD exhange rate).

    Now it seems we find ourselves in a similar climate as the role of the USD comes into question again.

    A question for you: It was always said that China, with its trillions in USD reserves, did NOT want a weak dollar and was therefore a USD advocate. Why the shift in sentiment? Are the hedging themselves for worse yet to come?

  • http://faithmight.tumblr.com faithmight

    Great article! I have long been intringued about the role of the USD in the world. Remember, right before the housing burst in 2007 you will recall talks of pricing oil in euros. These talks came out of Europe and Japan before even Iran, Russia and Kuwait. The USD weakened at that time too (and on our way to record highs in the GBP/USD exhange rate).

    Now it seems we find ourselves in a similar climate as the role of the USD comes into question again.

    A question for you: It was always said that China, with its trillions in USD reserves, did NOT want a weak dollar and was therefore a USD advocate. Why the shift in sentiment? Are the hedging themselves for worse yet to come?

  • http://faithmight.tumblr.com faithmight

    Great article! I have long been intringued about the role of the USD in the world. Remember, right before the housing burst in 2007 you will recall talks of pricing oil in euros. These talks came out of Europe and Japan before even Iran, Russia and Kuwait. The USD weakened at that time too (and on our way to record highs in the GBP/USD exhange rate).

    Now it seems we find ourselves in a similar climate as the role of the USD comes into question again.

    A question for you: It was always said that China, with its trillions in USD reserves, did NOT want a weak dollar and was therefore a USD advocate. Why the shift in sentiment? Are the hedging themselves for worse yet to come?

  • gregor.us

    My guess is that if China could convert its ownership of US Treasuries, into an IMF currency unit, it could diversify its risk. Also, China is probably looking for a way to help the US out of a potential USD currency crisis as a way of helping itself. One gets the sense that China, as our largest creditor, wants to line up a way out for the US that does not involve calamity.

    G

  • gregor.us

    My guess is that if China could convert its ownership of US Treasuries, into an IMF currency unit, it could diversify its risk. Also, China is probably looking for a way to help the US out of a potential USD currency crisis as a way of helping itself. One gets the sense that China, as our largest creditor, wants to line up a way out for the US that does not involve calamity.

    G

  • gregor.us

    My guess is that if China could convert its ownership of US Treasuries, into an IMF currency unit, it could diversify its risk. Also, China is probably looking for a way to help the US out of a potential USD currency crisis as a way of helping itself. One gets the sense that China, as our largest creditor, wants to line up a way out for the US that does not involve calamity.

    G

  • gregor.us

    My guess is that if China could convert its ownership of US Treasuries, into an IMF currency unit, it could diversify its risk. Also, China is probably looking for a way to help the US out of a potential USD currency crisis as a way of helping itself. One gets the sense that China, as our largest creditor, wants to line up a way out for the US that does not involve calamity.

    G

  • gregor.us

    My guess is that if China could convert its ownership of US Treasuries, into an IMF currency unit, it could diversify its risk. Also, China is probably looking for a way to help the US out of a potential USD currency crisis as a way of helping itself. One gets the sense that China, as our largest creditor, wants to line up a way out for the US that does not involve calamity.

    G

  • gregor.us

    My guess is that if China could convert its ownership of US Treasuries, into an IMF currency unit, it could diversify its risk. Also, China is probably looking for a way to help the US out of a potential USD currency crisis as a way of helping itself. One gets the sense that China, as our largest creditor, wants to line up a way out for the US that does not involve calamity.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks. I think so many smart and educated people have been living inside this paradigm for so long that they just can't conceive that it would end. Just as you point out.

    One idea that intrigues me is that it all ends rather quickly. IN fact, I wonder that the process has already started to unfold.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks. I think so many smart and educated people have been living inside this paradigm for so long that they just can't conceive that it would end. Just as you point out.

    One idea that intrigues me is that it all ends rather quickly. IN fact, I wonder that the process has already started to unfold.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks. I think so many smart and educated people have been living inside this paradigm for so long that they just can't conceive that it would end. Just as you point out.

    One idea that intrigues me is that it all ends rather quickly. IN fact, I wonder that the process has already started to unfold.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks. I think so many smart and educated people have been living inside this paradigm for so long that they just can't conceive that it would end. Just as you point out.

    One idea that intrigues me is that it all ends rather quickly. IN fact, I wonder that the process has already started to unfold.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks. I think so many smart and educated people have been living inside this paradigm for so long that they just can't conceive that it would end. Just as you point out.

    One idea that intrigues me is that it all ends rather quickly. IN fact, I wonder that the process has already started to unfold.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks. I think so many smart and educated people have been living inside this paradigm for so long that they just can't conceive that it would end. Just as you point out.

    One idea that intrigues me is that it all ends rather quickly. IN fact, I wonder that the process has already started to unfold.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Not much longer. I remember reading some military history about the problem of paying troops in far-away lands. I remember reading some great stories about how the Rothshilds helped deliver Gold to British troops (for salaries) when those troops were far from England.

    I have been predicting since October that the US military, which runs on oil and dollars, would have to be reigned in. Though I think a number of the big weapons programs go first, before personnel.

    My quick take is that the Military-Dollar relationship has probably been less causal, and more coincident–each reinforcing the other as the decades have gone by.

    Our experiment with “empire” is over. It was perhaps useful while it lasted.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Not much longer. I remember reading some military history about the problem of paying troops in far-away lands. I remember reading some great stories about how the Rothshilds helped deliver Gold to British troops (for salaries) when those troops were far from England.

    I have been predicting since October that the US military, which runs on oil and dollars, would have to be reigned in. Though I think a number of the big weapons programs go first, before personnel.

    My quick take is that the Military-Dollar relationship has probably been less causal, and more coincident–each reinforcing the other as the decades have gone by.

    Our experiment with “empire” is over. It was perhaps useful while it lasted.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Not much longer. I remember reading some military history about the problem of paying troops in far-away lands. I remember reading some great stories about how the Rothshilds helped deliver Gold to British troops (for salaries) when those troops were far from England.

    I have been predicting since October that the US military, which runs on oil and dollars, would have to be reigned in. Though I think a number of the big weapons programs go first, before personnel.

    My quick take is that the Military-Dollar relationship has probably been less causal, and more coincident–each reinforcing the other as the decades have gone by.

    Our experiment with “empire” is over. It was perhaps useful while it lasted.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Not much longer. I remember reading some military history about the problem of paying troops in far-away lands. I remember reading some great stories about how the Rothshilds helped deliver Gold to British troops (for salaries) when those troops were far from England.

    I have been predicting since October that the US military, which runs on oil and dollars, would have to be reigned in. Though I think a number of the big weapons programs go first, before personnel.

    My quick take is that the Military-Dollar relationship has probably been less causal, and more coincident–each reinforcing the other as the decades have gone by.

    Our experiment with “empire” is over. It was perhaps useful while it lasted.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Not much longer. I remember reading some military history about the problem of paying troops in far-away lands. I remember reading some great stories about how the Rothshilds helped deliver Gold to British troops (for salaries) when those troops were far from England.

    I have been predicting since October that the US military, which runs on oil and dollars, would have to be reigned in. Though I think a number of the big weapons programs go first, before personnel.

    My quick take is that the Military-Dollar relationship has probably been less causal, and more coincident–each reinforcing the other as the decades have gone by.

    Our experiment with “empire” is over. It was perhaps useful while it lasted.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Not much longer. I remember reading some military history about the problem of paying troops in far-away lands. I remember reading some great stories about how the Rothshilds helped deliver Gold to British troops (for salaries) when those troops were far from England.

    I have been predicting since October that the US military, which runs on oil and dollars, would have to be reigned in. Though I think a number of the big weapons programs go first, before personnel.

    My quick take is that the Military-Dollar relationship has probably been less causal, and more coincident–each reinforcing the other as the decades have gone by.

    Our experiment with “empire” is over. It was perhaps useful while it lasted.

    G

  • Fullcarry

    The sudden stop was a common feature of many emerging market debt crises. Could it apply to the US? Intriguing.

  • Fullcarry

    The sudden stop was a common feature of many emerging market debt crises. Could it apply to the US? Intriguing.

  • Fullcarry

    The sudden stop was a common feature of many emerging market debt crises. Could it apply to the US? Intriguing.

  • Fullcarry

    The sudden stop was a common feature of many emerging market debt crises. Could it apply to the US? Intriguing.

  • Fullcarry

    The sudden stop was a common feature of many emerging market debt crises. Could it apply to the US? Intriguing.

  • Fullcarry

    The sudden stop was a common feature of many emerging market debt crises. Could it apply to the US? Intriguing.

  • gregor.us

    A smart commentator on one the boards I read has noted that the many of the high-speed crises historically have occurred via a currency peg. Which of course causes dramatic action when the peg succumbs. His view now is that US interest rates are in effected pegged. And so our largest crisis will unfold should this break down, in rapid fashion.

    G

  • gregor.us

    A smart commentator on one the boards I read has noted that the many of the high-speed crises historically have occurred via a currency peg. Which of course causes dramatic action when the peg succumbs. His view now is that US interest rates are in effected pegged. And so our largest crisis will unfold should this break down, in rapid fashion.

    G

  • gregor.us

    A smart commentator on one the boards I read has noted that the many of the high-speed crises historically have occurred via a currency peg. Which of course causes dramatic action when the peg succumbs. His view now is that US interest rates are in effected pegged. And so our largest crisis will unfold should this break down, in rapid fashion.

    G

  • gregor.us

    A smart commentator on one the boards I read has noted that the many of the high-speed crises historically have occurred via a currency peg. Which of course causes dramatic action when the peg succumbs. His view now is that US interest rates are in effected pegged. And so our largest crisis will unfold should this break down, in rapid fashion.

    G

  • gregor.us

    A smart commentator on one the boards I read has noted that the many of the high-speed crises historically have occurred via a currency peg. Which of course causes dramatic action when the peg succumbs. His view now is that US interest rates are in effected pegged. And so our largest crisis will unfold should this break down, in rapid fashion.

    G

  • gregor.us

    A smart commentator on one the boards I read has noted that the many of the high-speed crises historically have occurred via a currency peg. Which of course causes dramatic action when the peg succumbs. His view now is that US interest rates are in effected pegged. And so our largest crisis will unfold should this break down, in rapid fashion.

    G

  • TraderMark

    Enjoyed this piece

    Did not even know Seniorage was a word :)

  • TraderMark

    Enjoyed this piece

    Did not even know Seniorage was a word :)

  • TraderMark

    Enjoyed this piece

    Did not even know Seniorage was a word :)

  • TraderMark

    Enjoyed this piece

    Did not even know Seniorage was a word :)

  • TraderMark

    Enjoyed this piece

    Did not even know Seniorage was a word :)

  • TraderMark

    Enjoyed this piece

    Did not even know Seniorage was a word :)

  • TraderMark

    Judging my general denial, head in sand tactics so far, I would say it would take a very long time to accept. We are one narcissitic nation

    we cannot even accept the fact our medicare is eating all future revenue and social security is a box of empty IOUs. Now you want to tell people *this*? :)

  • TraderMark

    Judging my general denial, head in sand tactics so far, I would say it would take a very long time to accept. We are one narcissitic nation

    we cannot even accept the fact our medicare is eating all future revenue and social security is a box of empty IOUs. Now you want to tell people *this*? :)

  • TraderMark

    Judging my general denial, head in sand tactics so far, I would say it would take a very long time to accept. We are one narcissitic nation

    we cannot even accept the fact our medicare is eating all future revenue and social security is a box of empty IOUs. Now you want to tell people *this*? :)

  • TraderMark

    Judging my general denial, head in sand tactics so far, I would say it would take a very long time to accept. We are one narcissitic nation

    we cannot even accept the fact our medicare is eating all future revenue and social security is a box of empty IOUs. Now you want to tell people *this*? :)

  • TraderMark

    Judging my general denial, head in sand tactics so far, I would say it would take a very long time to accept. We are one narcissitic nation

    we cannot even accept the fact our medicare is eating all future revenue and social security is a box of empty IOUs. Now you want to tell people *this*? :)

  • TraderMark

    Judging my general denial, head in sand tactics so far, I would say it would take a very long time to accept. We are one narcissitic nation

    we cannot even accept the fact our medicare is eating all future revenue and social security is a box of empty IOUs. Now you want to tell people *this*? :)

  • DV

    Interesting article.
    Lately I read 'Fiat Money Inflation in France, how it came, what it brought and how it ended….written 1896 by Andrew White, who was the president of Cornell University. It really was useful in descibing what happened to French currency during revolutionary times. Lots of parallels to our time period
    Now of course the question is what to do?

  • DV

    Interesting article.
    Lately I read 'Fiat Money Inflation in France, how it came, what it brought and how it ended….written 1896 by Andrew White, who was the president of Cornell University. It really was useful in descibing what happened to French currency during revolutionary times. Lots of parallels to our time period
    Now of course the question is what to do?

  • DV

    Interesting article.
    Lately I read 'Fiat Money Inflation in France, how it came, what it brought and how it ended….written 1896 by Andrew White, who was the president of Cornell University. It really was useful in descibing what happened to French currency during revolutionary times. Lots of parallels to our time period
    Now of course the question is what to do?

  • DV

    Interesting article.
    Lately I read 'Fiat Money Inflation in France, how it came, what it brought and how it ended….written 1896 by Andrew White, who was the president of Cornell University. It really was useful in descibing what happened to French currency during revolutionary times. Lots of parallels to our time period
    Now of course the question is what to do?

  • DV

    Interesting article.
    Lately I read 'Fiat Money Inflation in France, how it came, what it brought and how it ended….written 1896 by Andrew White, who was the president of Cornell University. It really was useful in descibing what happened to French currency during revolutionary times. Lots of parallels to our time period
    Now of course the question is what to do?

  • DV

    Interesting article.
    Lately I read 'Fiat Money Inflation in France, how it came, what it brought and how it ended….written 1896 by Andrew White, who was the president of Cornell University. It really was useful in descibing what happened to French currency during revolutionary times. Lots of parallels to our time period
    Now of course the question is what to do?

  • Jeff Burton

    “Lots of parallels” That struck me too. Here's the opening sentence: “Early in the year 1789 the French nation found itself in deep financial embarrassment: there was a heavy debt and a serious deficit.”

  • Jeff Burton

    “Lots of parallels” That struck me too. Here's the opening sentence: “Early in the year 1789 the French nation found itself in deep financial embarrassment: there was a heavy debt and a serious deficit.”

  • Jeff Burton

    “Lots of parallels” That struck me too. Here's the opening sentence: “Early in the year 1789 the French nation found itself in deep financial embarrassment: there was a heavy debt and a serious deficit.”

  • Jeff Burton

    “Lots of parallels” That struck me too. Here's the opening sentence: “Early in the year 1789 the French nation found itself in deep financial embarrassment: there was a heavy debt and a serious deficit.”

  • Jeff Burton

    “Lots of parallels” That struck me too. Here's the opening sentence: “Early in the year 1789 the French nation found itself in deep financial embarrassment: there was a heavy debt and a serious deficit.”

  • Jeff Burton

    “Lots of parallels” That struck me too. Here's the opening sentence: “Early in the year 1789 the French nation found itself in deep financial embarrassment: there was a heavy debt and a serious deficit.”

  • InEgoVeritas

    This is a great post Greg, well written, clear and concise. Really enjoyed it.

    Just one minor point though, isn't the word seignorage?

  • InEgoVeritas

    This is a great post Greg, well written, clear and concise. Really enjoyed it.

    Just one minor point though, isn't the word seignorage?

  • InEgoVeritas

    This is a great post Greg, well written, clear and concise. Really enjoyed it.

    Just one minor point though, isn't the word seignorage?

  • InEgoVeritas

    This is a great post Greg, well written, clear and concise. Really enjoyed it.

    Just one minor point though, isn't the word seignorage?

  • InEgoVeritas

    This is a great post Greg, well written, clear and concise. Really enjoyed it.

    Just one minor point though, isn't the word seignorage?

  • InEgoVeritas

    This is a great post Greg, well written, clear and concise. Really enjoyed it.

    Just one minor point though, isn't the word seignorage?

  • gregor.us

    Thankyou. Yes. There are a few spellings and I should have researched them more closely before publishing. I did a new round of research and went with seigniorage.

    Best,

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thankyou. Yes. There are a few spellings and I should have researched them more closely before publishing. I did a new round of research and went with seigniorage.

    Best,

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thankyou. Yes. There are a few spellings and I should have researched them more closely before publishing. I did a new round of research and went with seigniorage.

    Best,

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thankyou. Yes. There are a few spellings and I should have researched them more closely before publishing. I did a new round of research and went with seigniorage.

    Best,

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thankyou. Yes. There are a few spellings and I should have researched them more closely before publishing. I did a new round of research and went with seigniorage.

    Best,

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thankyou. Yes. There are a few spellings and I should have researched them more closely before publishing. I did a new round of research and went with seigniorage.

    Best,

    G

  • gregor.us

    Spelling fixed. Three cheers to new words.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Spelling fixed. Three cheers to new words.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Spelling fixed. Three cheers to new words.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Spelling fixed. Three cheers to new words.

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  • gregor.us

    Spelling fixed. Three cheers to new words.

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  • gregor.us

    Spelling fixed. Three cheers to new words.

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  • BMR789

    A good dear friend of mine in Wellington(NZL) is a major war historian, amongst other things.

    He's already read all about it.

    Just draws parallels to the downfall of the Roman Empire.

  • BMR789

    A good dear friend of mine in Wellington(NZL) is a major war historian, amongst other things.

    He's already read all about it.

    Just draws parallels to the downfall of the Roman Empire.

  • BMR789

    A good dear friend of mine in Wellington(NZL) is a major war historian, amongst other things.

    He's already read all about it.

    Just draws parallels to the downfall of the Roman Empire.

  • BMR789

    A good dear friend of mine in Wellington(NZL) is a major war historian, amongst other things.

    He's already read all about it.

    Just draws parallels to the downfall of the Roman Empire.

  • BMR789

    A good dear friend of mine in Wellington(NZL) is a major war historian, amongst other things.

    He's already read all about it.

    Just draws parallels to the downfall of the Roman Empire.

  • BMR789

    A good dear friend of mine in Wellington(NZL) is a major war historian, amongst other things.

    He's already read all about it.

    Just draws parallels to the downfall of the Roman Empire.

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even closer to the roots of the word.

    Was thinking last night that Charles de Gaulle would be quite surprise to see that the “exorbitant privilege” as he put it in the 60s has morphed into a Dutch disease…

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even closer to the roots of the word.

    Was thinking last night that Charles de Gaulle would be quite surprise to see that the “exorbitant privilege” as he put it in the 60s has morphed into a Dutch disease…

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even closer to the roots of the word.

    Was thinking last night that Charles de Gaulle would be quite surprise to see that the “exorbitant privilege” as he put it in the 60s has morphed into a Dutch disease…

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even closer to the roots of the word.

    Was thinking last night that Charles de Gaulle would be quite surprise to see that the “exorbitant privilege” as he put it in the 60s has morphed into a Dutch disease…

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even closer to the roots of the word.

    Was thinking last night that Charles de Gaulle would be quite surprise to see that the “exorbitant privilege” as he put it in the 60s has morphed into a Dutch disease…

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even closer to the roots of the word.

    Was thinking last night that Charles de Gaulle would be quite surprise to see that the “exorbitant privilege” as he put it in the 60s has morphed into a Dutch disease…

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even etymologically closer.

    Was thinking last night that Charlesde Gaulle would be really surprised to see that his “Exorbitant privilege” has morphed into a Dutch disease

    IEV

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even etymologically closer.

    Was thinking last night that Charlesde Gaulle would be really surprised to see that his “Exorbitant privilege” has morphed into a Dutch disease

    IEV

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even etymologically closer.

    Was thinking last night that Charlesde Gaulle would be really surprised to see that his “Exorbitant privilege” has morphed into a Dutch disease

    IEV

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even etymologically closer.

    Was thinking last night that Charlesde Gaulle would be really surprised to see that his “Exorbitant privilege” has morphed into a Dutch disease

    IEV

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even etymologically closer.

    Was thinking last night that Charlesde Gaulle would be really surprised to see that his “Exorbitant privilege” has morphed into a Dutch disease

    IEV

  • InEgoVeritas

    Yes that is even etymologically closer.

    Was thinking last night that Charlesde Gaulle would be really surprised to see that his “Exorbitant privilege” has morphed into a Dutch disease

    IEV

  • Brian

    Awesome article. The biggest question in my mind is the time frame. I have no doubt that the current paradigm can not hold, but how long is the process? The idea of a sudden stop terrifies me, but then again a 10-15 year slow motion collapse sounds pretty awful too.

  • Brian

    Awesome article. The biggest question in my mind is the time frame. I have no doubt that the current paradigm can not hold, but how long is the process? The idea of a sudden stop terrifies me, but then again a 10-15 year slow motion collapse sounds pretty awful too.

  • Brian

    Awesome article. The biggest question in my mind is the time frame. I have no doubt that the current paradigm can not hold, but how long is the process? The idea of a sudden stop terrifies me, but then again a 10-15 year slow motion collapse sounds pretty awful too.

  • Brian

    Awesome article. The biggest question in my mind is the time frame. I have no doubt that the current paradigm can not hold, but how long is the process? The idea of a sudden stop terrifies me, but then again a 10-15 year slow motion collapse sounds pretty awful too.

  • Brian

    Awesome article. The biggest question in my mind is the time frame. I have no doubt that the current paradigm can not hold, but how long is the process? The idea of a sudden stop terrifies me, but then again a 10-15 year slow motion collapse sounds pretty awful too.

  • Brian

    Awesome article. The biggest question in my mind is the time frame. I have no doubt that the current paradigm can not hold, but how long is the process? The idea of a sudden stop terrifies me, but then again a 10-15 year slow motion collapse sounds pretty awful too.

  • c

    perhaps an interesting area for further study along these cultural/monetary lines would be spain and the silver/gold they brought back with little 'national effort' and the ensuing european inflation

  • c

    perhaps an interesting area for further study along these cultural/monetary lines would be spain and the silver/gold they brought back with little 'national effort' and the ensuing european inflation

  • c

    perhaps an interesting area for further study along these cultural/monetary lines would be spain and the silver/gold they brought back with little 'national effort' and the ensuing european inflation

  • c

    perhaps an interesting area for further study along these cultural/monetary lines would be spain and the silver/gold they brought back with little 'national effort' and the ensuing european inflation

  • c

    perhaps an interesting area for further study along these cultural/monetary lines would be spain and the silver/gold they brought back with little 'national effort' and the ensuing european inflation

  • c

    perhaps an interesting area for further study along these cultural/monetary lines would be spain and the silver/gold they brought back with little 'national effort' and the ensuing european inflation

  • George Eaton

    Nonsensical gibberish. Never do you explain why seigniorage leads to “financialization,” why financialization crowds out other “productive” activity, and why it's a bad thing if any of the preceding happens. Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets. Marxist dreck.

  • George Eaton

    Nonsensical gibberish. Never do you explain why seigniorage leads to “financialization,” why financialization crowds out other “productive” activity, and why it's a bad thing if any of the preceding happens. Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets. Marxist dreck.

  • George Eaton

    Nonsensical gibberish. Never do you explain why seigniorage leads to “financialization,” why financialization crowds out other “productive” activity, and why it's a bad thing if any of the preceding happens. Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets. Marxist dreck.

  • George Eaton

    Nonsensical gibberish. Never do you explain why seigniorage leads to “financialization,” why financialization crowds out other “productive” activity, and why it's a bad thing if any of the preceding happens. Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets. Marxist dreck.

  • George Eaton

    Nonsensical gibberish. Never do you explain why seigniorage leads to “financialization,” why financialization crowds out other “productive” activity, and why it's a bad thing if any of the preceding happens. Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets. Marxist dreck.

  • George Eaton

    Nonsensical gibberish. Never do you explain why seigniorage leads to “financialization,” why financialization crowds out other “productive” activity, and why it's a bad thing if any of the preceding happens. Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets. Marxist dreck.

  • gregor.us

    Thanks George. There's clearly no way a “Marxist” such as myself can hide from you. You've found me out. Well done!

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks George. There's clearly no way a “Marxist” such as myself can hide from you. You've found me out. Well done!

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks George. There's clearly no way a “Marxist” such as myself can hide from you. You've found me out. Well done!

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks George. There's clearly no way a “Marxist” such as myself can hide from you. You've found me out. Well done!

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks George. There's clearly no way a “Marxist” such as myself can hide from you. You've found me out. Well done!

    G

  • gregor.us

    Thanks George. There's clearly no way a “Marxist” such as myself can hide from you. You've found me out. Well done!

    G

  • http://studimonetari.org marco saba

    MONEY DEMAND AND THE POTENTIAL OF SEIGNIORAGE IN CHINA – Geneviève Boyreau Debray, 1998
    http://www.cerdi.org/Publi/DOC_ED/1998/1998.21.pdf
    Abstract. Since 1978 China has been experiencing a strong monetary growth. However annual inflation has not exceeded 20%. One of the outcomes has been a high level of seigniorage (7% of the GDP). This paper looks for the factors that have enabled to collect this quasi-inflation-free revenue and asks the question of whether or not China can still rely on this kind of financing. For this purpose, an augmented Cagan's money demand is specified which takes into account the transitional characteristics of this economy. A Laffer type model is derived from it and provides an analysis of the dynamics of the potential of seigniorage.

  • http://studimonetari.org marco saba

    MONEY DEMAND AND THE POTENTIAL OF SEIGNIORAGE IN CHINA – Geneviève Boyreau Debray, 1998
    http://www.cerdi.org/Publi/DOC_ED/1998/1998.21.pdf
    Abstract. Since 1978 China has been experiencing a strong monetary growth. However annual inflation has not exceeded 20%. One of the outcomes has been a high level of seigniorage (7% of the GDP). This paper looks for the factors that have enabled to collect this quasi-inflation-free revenue and asks the question of whether or not China can still rely on this kind of financing. For this purpose, an augmented Cagan's money demand is specified which takes into account the transitional characteristics of this economy. A Laffer type model is derived from it and provides an analysis of the dynamics of the potential of seigniorage.

  • http://studimonetari.org marco saba

    MONEY DEMAND AND THE POTENTIAL OF SEIGNIORAGE IN CHINA – Geneviève Boyreau Debray, 1998
    http://www.cerdi.org/Publi/DOC_ED/1998/1998.21.pdf
    Abstract. Since 1978 China has been experiencing a strong monetary growth. However annual inflation has not exceeded 20%. One of the outcomes has been a high level of seigniorage (7% of the GDP). This paper looks for the factors that have enabled to collect this quasi-inflation-free revenue and asks the question of whether or not China can still rely on this kind of financing. For this purpose, an augmented Cagan's money demand is specified which takes into account the transitional characteristics of this economy. A Laffer type model is derived from it and provides an analysis of the dynamics of the potential of seigniorage.

  • http://studimonetari.org marco saba

    MONEY DEMAND AND THE POTENTIAL OF SEIGNIORAGE IN CHINA – Geneviève Boyreau Debray, 1998
    http://www.cerdi.org/Publi/DOC_ED/1998/1998.21.pdf
    Abstract. Since 1978 China has been experiencing a strong monetary growth. However annual inflation has not exceeded 20%. One of the outcomes has been a high level of seigniorage (7% of the GDP). This paper looks for the factors that have enabled to collect this quasi-inflation-free revenue and asks the question of whether or not China can still rely on this kind of financing. For this purpose, an augmented Cagan's money demand is specified which takes into account the transitional characteristics of this economy. A Laffer type model is derived from it and provides an analysis of the dynamics of the potential of seigniorage.

  • http://studimonetari.org marco saba

    MONEY DEMAND AND THE POTENTIAL OF SEIGNIORAGE IN CHINA – Geneviève Boyreau Debray, 1998
    http://www.cerdi.org/Publi/DOC_ED/1998/1998.21.pdf
    Abstract. Since 1978 China has been experiencing a strong monetary growth. However annual inflation has not exceeded 20%. One of the outcomes has been a high level of seigniorage (7% of the GDP). This paper looks for the factors that have enabled to collect this quasi-inflation-free revenue and asks the question of whether or not China can still rely on this kind of financing. For this purpose, an augmented Cagan's money demand is specified which takes into account the transitional characteristics of this economy. A Laffer type model is derived from it and provides an analysis of the dynamics of the potential of seigniorage.

  • http://studimonetari.org marco saba

    MONEY DEMAND AND THE POTENTIAL OF SEIGNIORAGE IN CHINA – Geneviève Boyreau Debray, 1998
    http://www.cerdi.org/Publi/DOC_ED/1998/1998.21.pdf
    Abstract. Since 1978 China has been experiencing a strong monetary growth. However annual inflation has not exceeded 20%. One of the outcomes has been a high level of seigniorage (7% of the GDP). This paper looks for the factors that have enabled to collect this quasi-inflation-free revenue and asks the question of whether or not China can still rely on this kind of financing. For this purpose, an augmented Cagan's money demand is specified which takes into account the transitional characteristics of this economy. A Laffer type model is derived from it and provides an analysis of the dynamics of the potential of seigniorage.

  • http://elliottng.com elliottng

    And now we're monetizing Treasuries. Perhaps the next thing we can monetize is our residual military might.

  • http://elliottng.com elliottng

    And now we're monetizing Treasuries. Perhaps the next thing we can monetize is our residual military might.

  • http://elliottng.com elliottng

    And now we're monetizing Treasuries. Perhaps the next thing we can monetize is our residual military might.

  • http://elliottng.com elliottng

    And now we're monetizing Treasuries. Perhaps the next thing we can monetize is our residual military might.

  • http://elliottng.com elliottng

    And now we're monetizing Treasuries. Perhaps the next thing we can monetize is our residual military might.

  • http://elliottng.com elliottng

    And now we're monetizing Treasuries. Perhaps the next thing we can monetize is our residual military might.

  • gregor.us

    If anything, the tragedy is that so many talented people worked in finance when they and society would have been better off with their efforts focussed else where.

    Even worse than this is that the failure of AIG is part of a systemic failure of the anglo-saxon financial world
    .

    Excerpts from: A Letter From Inside AIG: “The Entire US System Is Committing Suicide

  • gregor.us

    If anything, the tragedy is that so many talented people worked in finance when they and society would have been better off with their efforts focussed else where.

    Even worse than this is that the failure of AIG is part of a systemic failure of the anglo-saxon financial world
    .

    Excerpts from: A Letter From Inside AIG: “The Entire US System Is Committing Suicide

  • gregor.us

    If anything, the tragedy is that so many talented people worked in finance when they and society would have been better off with their efforts focussed else where.

    Even worse than this is that the failure of AIG is part of a systemic failure of the anglo-saxon financial world
    .

    Excerpts from: A Letter From Inside AIG: “The Entire US System Is Committing Suicide

  • gregor.us

    If anything, the tragedy is that so many talented people worked in finance when they and society would have been better off with their efforts focussed else where.

    Even worse than this is that the failure of AIG is part of a systemic failure of the anglo-saxon financial world
    .

    Excerpts from: A Letter From Inside AIG: “The Entire US System Is Committing Suicide

  • gregor.us

    If anything, the tragedy is that so many talented people worked in finance when they and society would have been better off with their efforts focussed else where.

    Even worse than this is that the failure of AIG is part of a systemic failure of the anglo-saxon financial world
    .

    Excerpts from: A Letter From Inside AIG: “The Entire US System Is Committing Suicide

  • gregor.us

    If anything, the tragedy is that so many talented people worked in finance when they and society would have been better off with their efforts focussed else where.

    Even worse than this is that the failure of AIG is part of a systemic failure of the anglo-saxon financial world
    .

    Excerpts from: A Letter From Inside AIG: “The Entire US System Is Committing Suicide

  • gregor.us

    That's an intriguing idea. We could say to a number of countries around the world: if you want to continue to enjoy our protection, we need to start collecting an annual fee.

    Indeed. Fees are going to go up for everything. The Religion of Free is coming to an end.

    G

  • gregor.us

    That's an intriguing idea. We could say to a number of countries around the world: if you want to continue to enjoy our protection, we need to start collecting an annual fee.

    Indeed. Fees are going to go up for everything. The Religion of Free is coming to an end.

    G

  • gregor.us

    That's an intriguing idea. We could say to a number of countries around the world: if you want to continue to enjoy our protection, we need to start collecting an annual fee.

    Indeed. Fees are going to go up for everything. The Religion of Free is coming to an end.

    G

  • gregor.us

    That's an intriguing idea. We could say to a number of countries around the world: if you want to continue to enjoy our protection, we need to start collecting an annual fee.

    Indeed. Fees are going to go up for everything. The Religion of Free is coming to an end.

    G

  • gregor.us

    That's an intriguing idea. We could say to a number of countries around the world: if you want to continue to enjoy our protection, we need to start collecting an annual fee.

    Indeed. Fees are going to go up for everything. The Religion of Free is coming to an end.

    G

  • gregor.us

    That's an intriguing idea. We could say to a number of countries around the world: if you want to continue to enjoy our protection, we need to start collecting an annual fee.

    Indeed. Fees are going to go up for everything. The Religion of Free is coming to an end.

    G

  • Pat Donnelly

    Your analysis is correct but do you take it far enough? What of all that modelling power through electronic computation? Who controls the world's food? Why are there so many USA/NATO bases around the world? The USA is not going anywhere soon!
    AIG is more than it seems and has acted as a bank in more than one way. There are positions that have to be covered. The crisis was foreseen. Nil Desperandum!
    But there are weaknesses that can be addressed.

  • Pat Donnelly

    Your analysis is correct but do you take it far enough? What of all that modelling power through electronic computation? Who controls the world's food? Why are there so many USA/NATO bases around the world? The USA is not going anywhere soon!
    AIG is more than it seems and has acted as a bank in more than one way. There are positions that have to be covered. The crisis was foreseen. Nil Desperandum!
    But there are weaknesses that can be addressed.

  • Pat Donnelly

    Your analysis is correct but do you take it far enough? What of all that modelling power through electronic computation? Who controls the world's food? Why are there so many USA/NATO bases around the world? The USA is not going anywhere soon!
    AIG is more than it seems and has acted as a bank in more than one way. There are positions that have to be covered. The crisis was foreseen. Nil Desperandum!
    But there are weaknesses that can be addressed.

  • Pat Donnelly

    Your analysis is correct but do you take it far enough? What of all that modelling power through electronic computation? Who controls the world's food? Why are there so many USA/NATO bases around the world? The USA is not going anywhere soon!
    AIG is more than it seems and has acted as a bank in more than one way. There are positions that have to be covered. The crisis was foreseen. Nil Desperandum!
    But there are weaknesses that can be addressed.

  • Pat Donnelly

    Your analysis is correct but do you take it far enough? What of all that modelling power through electronic computation? Who controls the world's food? Why are there so many USA/NATO bases around the world? The USA is not going anywhere soon!
    AIG is more than it seems and has acted as a bank in more than one way. There are positions that have to be covered. The crisis was foreseen. Nil Desperandum!
    But there are weaknesses that can be addressed.

  • Pat Donnelly

    Your analysis is correct but do you take it far enough? What of all that modelling power through electronic computation? Who controls the world's food? Why are there so many USA/NATO bases around the world? The USA is not going anywhere soon!
    AIG is more than it seems and has acted as a bank in more than one way. There are positions that have to be covered. The crisis was foreseen. Nil Desperandum!
    But there are weaknesses that can be addressed.

  • http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/ K T Cat

    Great post. I hadn't considered the similarities with the oil states.

  • http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/ K T Cat

    Great post. I hadn't considered the similarities with the oil states.

  • http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/ K T Cat

    Great post. I hadn't considered the similarities with the oil states.

  • http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/ K T Cat

    Great post. I hadn't considered the similarities with the oil states.

  • http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/ K T Cat

    Great post. I hadn't considered the similarities with the oil states.

  • http://ktcatspost.blogspot.com/ K T Cat

    Great post. I hadn't considered the similarities with the oil states.

  • gregor.us

    If my thesis is correct, then a withdrawal from the USD as the world's super-currency will be part of the healing process for the USA. As long as this takes place gradually.

    G

  • gregor.us

    If my thesis is correct, then a withdrawal from the USD as the world's super-currency will be part of the healing process for the USA. As long as this takes place gradually.

    G

  • gregor.us

    If my thesis is correct, then a withdrawal from the USD as the world's super-currency will be part of the healing process for the USA. As long as this takes place gradually.

    G

  • gregor.us

    If my thesis is correct, then a withdrawal from the USD as the world's super-currency will be part of the healing process for the USA. As long as this takes place gradually.

    G

  • gregor.us

    If my thesis is correct, then a withdrawal from the USD as the world's super-currency will be part of the healing process for the USA. As long as this takes place gradually.

    G

  • gregor.us

    If my thesis is correct, then a withdrawal from the USD as the world's super-currency will be part of the healing process for the USA. As long as this takes place gradually.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets.

    Assumption? Uhh. Hardly an assumption. The laundry list of mal-investment and unsustainable service and goods businesses in the US the past decade is a mile high. What percentage of California's adult population held a RE broker's license this decade? A sickening stat by any measure.

    Marxist dreck.

    Do you mean by Marxist the Communist Manifesto? Because I gather you are not referring to the other 99% of Marx which is straight economic analysis. I'm actually not sure how Marx is even at play here–in this post or your comment. I would only comment that unless you see Marx as part of the family tree of economists, then your view would be too cramped.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets.

    Assumption? Uhh. Hardly an assumption. The laundry list of mal-investment and unsustainable service and goods businesses in the US the past decade is a mile high. What percentage of California's adult population held a RE broker's license this decade? A sickening stat by any measure.

    Marxist dreck.

    Do you mean by Marxist the Communist Manifesto? Because I gather you are not referring to the other 99% of Marx which is straight economic analysis. I'm actually not sure how Marx is even at play here–in this post or your comment. I would only comment that unless you see Marx as part of the family tree of economists, then your view would be too cramped.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets.

    Assumption? Uhh. Hardly an assumption. The laundry list of mal-investment and unsustainable service and goods businesses in the US the past decade is a mile high. What percentage of California's adult population held a RE broker's license this decade? A sickening stat by any measure.

    Marxist dreck.

    Do you mean by Marxist the Communist Manifesto? Because I gather you are not referring to the other 99% of Marx which is straight economic analysis. I'm actually not sure how Marx is even at play here–in this post or your comment. I would only comment that unless you see Marx as part of the family tree of economists, then your view would be too cramped.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets.

    Assumption? Uhh. Hardly an assumption. The laundry list of mal-investment and unsustainable service and goods businesses in the US the past decade is a mile high. What percentage of California's adult population held a RE broker's license this decade? A sickening stat by any measure.

    Marxist dreck.

    Do you mean by Marxist the Communist Manifesto? Because I gather you are not referring to the other 99% of Marx which is straight economic analysis. I'm actually not sure how Marx is even at play here–in this post or your comment. I would only comment that unless you see Marx as part of the family tree of economists, then your view would be too cramped.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets.

    Assumption? Uhh. Hardly an assumption. The laundry list of mal-investment and unsustainable service and goods businesses in the US the past decade is a mile high. What percentage of California's adult population held a RE broker's license this decade? A sickening stat by any measure.

    Marxist dreck.

    Do you mean by Marxist the Communist Manifesto? Because I gather you are not referring to the other 99% of Marx which is straight economic analysis. I'm actually not sure how Marx is even at play here–in this post or your comment. I would only comment that unless you see Marx as part of the family tree of economists, then your view would be too cramped.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Your assumption is that the entire economy — millions and millions of self-interested people — are being deluded into masturbatory economic activity instead of building useful iron widgets.

    Assumption? Uhh. Hardly an assumption. The laundry list of mal-investment and unsustainable service and goods businesses in the US the past decade is a mile high. What percentage of California's adult population held a RE broker's license this decade? A sickening stat by any measure.

    Marxist dreck.

    Do you mean by Marxist the Communist Manifesto? Because I gather you are not referring to the other 99% of Marx which is straight economic analysis. I'm actually not sure how Marx is even at play here–in this post or your comment. I would only comment that unless you see Marx as part of the family tree of economists, then your view would be too cramped.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Brian, the process to watch for now is the pace at which the FED has to monetize the debt in order to cover the shortfall of inward flows. We know from the Savings Rate that Americans cannot cover the shortfall. And we know that central bank buying has ebbed.

    You can find the implications/key issues here.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Brian, the process to watch for now is the pace at which the FED has to monetize the debt in order to cover the shortfall of inward flows. We know from the Savings Rate that Americans cannot cover the shortfall. And we know that central bank buying has ebbed.

    You can find the implications/key issues here.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Brian, the process to watch for now is the pace at which the FED has to monetize the debt in order to cover the shortfall of inward flows. We know from the Savings Rate that Americans cannot cover the shortfall. And we know that central bank buying has ebbed.

    You can find the implications/key issues here.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Brian, the process to watch for now is the pace at which the FED has to monetize the debt in order to cover the shortfall of inward flows. We know from the Savings Rate that Americans cannot cover the shortfall. And we know that central bank buying has ebbed.

    You can find the implications/key issues here.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Brian, the process to watch for now is the pace at which the FED has to monetize the debt in order to cover the shortfall of inward flows. We know from the Savings Rate that Americans cannot cover the shortfall. And we know that central bank buying has ebbed.

    You can find the implications/key issues here.

    G

  • gregor.us

    Brian, the process to watch for now is the pace at which the FED has to monetize the debt in order to cover the shortfall of inward flows. We know from the Savings Rate that Americans cannot cover the shortfall. And we know that central bank buying has ebbed.

    You can find the implications/key issues here.

    G

  • myxsix

    I could not agree more. When I expound on the same things you have written above people agree so vociferously I feel they must either be mad or brainwashed (in fact is is probably a bit of both).

  • myxsix

    I could not agree more. When I expound on the same things you have written above people agree so vociferously I feel they must either be mad or brainwashed (in fact is is probably a bit of both).

  • myxsix

    I could not agree more. When I expound on the same things you have written above people agree so vociferously I feel they must either be mad or brainwashed (in fact is is probably a bit of both).

  • myxsix

    I could not agree more. When I expound on the same things you have written above people agree so vociferously I feel they must either be mad or brainwashed (in fact is is probably a bit of both).

  • myxsix

    I could not agree more. When I expound on the same things you have written above people agree so vociferously I feel they must either be mad or brainwashed (in fact is is probably a bit of both).

  • myxsix

    I could not agree more. When I expound on the same things you have written above people agree so vociferously I feel they must either be mad or brainwashed (in fact is is probably a bit of both).

  • gregor.us

    Say goodbye now to all the jobs created by the fake, production-free, debt based economy created post 2000. Just as I tried to explain, in this post:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day…

    CHART OF THE DAY: We've Wiped Out All The New Jobs Of The 21st Century

  • gregor.us

    Say goodbye now to all the jobs created by the fake, production-free, debt based economy created post 2000. Just as I tried to explain, in this post:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day…

    CHART OF THE DAY: We've Wiped Out All The New Jobs Of The 21st Century

  • gregor.us

    Say goodbye now to all the jobs created by the fake, production-free, debt based economy created post 2000. Just as I tried to explain, in this post:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day…

    CHART OF THE DAY: We've Wiped Out All The New Jobs Of The 21st Century

  • gregor.us

    Say goodbye now to all the jobs created by the fake, production-free, debt based economy created post 2000. Just as I tried to explain, in this post:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day…

    CHART OF THE DAY: We've Wiped Out All The New Jobs Of The 21st Century

  • gregor.us

    Say goodbye now to all the jobs created by the fake, production-free, debt based economy created post 2000. Just as I tried to explain, in this post:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day…

    CHART OF THE DAY: We've Wiped Out All The New Jobs Of The 21st Century

  • Fud

    To make a very long story short the US economy was sabotaged by design. The dollar angel is only part of the story. Until you get this figured out you are just spinning your wheels. Or are you a gatekeeper?

  • Fud

    To make a very long story short the US economy was sabotaged by design. The dollar angel is only part of the story. Until you get this figured out you are just spinning your wheels. Or are you a gatekeeper?

  • gregor.us

    I'm a member of the Illuminati. My blog is just a fronting operation for the Masters of the System. You have totally blown my cover. Wow. Amazing you could do that!

    G

  • gregor.us

    I'm a member of the Illuminati. My blog is just a fronting operation for the Masters of the System. You have totally blown my cover. Wow. Amazing you could do that!

    G

  • Fud

    Gatekeeper, just as I thought.

  • Fud

    Gatekeeper, just as I thought.

  • Fud

    To make a very long story short the US economy was sabotaged by design. The dollar angel is only part of the story. Until you get this figured out you are just spinning your wheels. Or are you a gatekeeper?

  • gregor.us

    I'm a member of the Illuminati. My blog is just a fronting operation for the Masters of the System. You have totally blown my cover. Wow. Amazing you could do that!

    G

  • Fud

    Gatekeeper, just as I thought.

  • Fud

    To make a very long story short the US economy was sabotaged by design. The dollar angel is only part of the story. Until you get this figured out you are just spinning your wheels. Or are you a gatekeeper?

  • gregor.us

    I'm a member of the Illuminati. My blog is just a fronting operation for the Masters of the System. You have totally blown my cover. Wow. Amazing you could do that!

    G

  • Fud

    Gatekeeper, just as I thought.